Knowing Your Neighbor, Online and Off
Simmons Buntin | Fri, Jul 4th, 2008 | Category: Commentary | City: Tucson | Tags: simmons buntin, tucson, discussion forum, civano, website, cohousing, interaction, neighborhood design, community design, virtual reality
There are two communities in my community. The first is physical—thin, tree-lined streets and pocket parks, Southwestern architecture and community gardens. The second is virtual—a community website, and more specifically a discussion forum, registration required.
When you move into my neighborhood of Civano, there’s no requirement that you get out and about and meet folks, though with the community’s design, it’s just about impossible not to. Mailboxes are clustered and usually a block or two from the house, front porches are wide and easily viewed from the street (and vice versa), and there are plenty of pedestrian paths, so it’s easy to run into your neighbors. The old adage that it can take an hour or more to get your mail—because you meet and socialize with so many folks along the way—is as true here as any New Urbanist development. Beyond design, there are monthly potlucks and speakers series, new neighbor welcome breakfasts, a Sunday farmer’s market at the onsite garden center, and every now and then ad lib street parties and cookouts at the community pool.

The Community of Civano welcome center, soon to be the neighborhood community space and meeting hall. Photo by Al Nichols.
Similarly, when you browse onto the neighborhood website, there’s no requirement that you announce you’re there. From the privacy of your personal computer, you can stroll through the website’s pages—neighborhood business listings, community energy-use reports, neighbor directory, and more—as anonymously as if paging through a magazine in a waiting room.
Recently, however, the other discussion forum administrator and I implemented a requirement that folks registered on the forum use their full real names. We’ve also encouraged neighbors to post a photo of themselves on their forum accounts, but that’s not a requirement.
Why force rigid standards for the virtual neighborhood when such rules cannot be replicated in our physical place? Why not allow forum participants to use alter identities as they do on the other sites they visit? Why create walls—virtual or otherwise—where none exist? Because neighbors have the right to know who they’re talking to and, as is so often the case, who they’re hearing from.

CivanoNeighbors.com, where all the (virtual) action takes place.
Civano’s discussion forum has always been a bittersweet place to interact. On one hand, forums dedicated to announcements, upcoming events, classifieds, and meeting summaries provide good information in “real time.” On the other, forums for general, homeowner, and non-Civano (i.e., political) discussion can be contentious. And Civano is not alone. I’ve heard the same from neighbors of other communities with discussion forums. You may have experienced the abrupt realities of e-communication in your own community or workplace, as well. Whether email or online postings, people tend to respond more hastily, and more abruptly, than they would in person. That is, we are less considerate in the virtual world than the actual.
By requiring the use of the participant’s name, our goal is to personalize the discussion forum. I don’t mean that in the generic IT way, as some techno-speak for database-integrated customized web pages that read cookies to make the user feel as if the forum truly recognizes him or her. (Though it does all that.) What I mean is that you know who is behind the virtual wall—you know which neighbor you’re talking to. Add a real photo instead of the ubiquitous, generic avatar, and you can literally see the neighbor you’re speaking with, too.
The implementation of technology for community interaction is tricky. Just as it can speed up communication—and access to communication—it can also leave people out entirely, or just as often leave them feeling as cold as the circuitry in their keyboard before they boot up for the day.

Residents at Tucson’s Sonora Cohousing also have a website and online discussion forum. Photo by Simmons Buntin.
Renowned cohousing architect Chuck Durrett provides an example in his most recent blog entry, “Musings: Technology and Cohousing.” He notes that since his cohousing community implemented online-only signups for community dinners six months ago, participation has waned considerably. Whether people forgot, or felt disconnected, the “easier” online way of registering had just the opposite result: it disengaged community participants.
For that reason, and the brash postings of some of our more notorious neighbors, I’ve been urged numerous times to shut down the discussion forum altogether. Yet I hate to kill the messenger when it’s the message that is at fault. That is, the discussion forum is only a tool for communicating; it is not the communication itself. Even by requiring real names and encouraging actual photos, the tool can only go so far in regulating good manners.
That’s true outside the virtual world too, of course, and I sometimes think that as bad as manners may be on the discussion forum, they’re still quite pleasant compared to some of our homeowners association meetings. In either case, tempers can flare, people can say things they later regret—or should regret. They kick and people get hurt.

Sometimes neighbors want to get out beyond even their front porch, as these Civano neighbors did for last year’s 4th of July parade. Photo by Simmons Buntin.
Shutting down the discussion forum is a bad idea, too, because there is an ever-increasing expectation of technology in our society. As technology evolves, so does our access and our use. Already a whole new, abbreviated language has developed around text and instant messaging. But the kind of evolution I’m hoping for is that of being a good virtual citizen—using respect and compassion when communicating online.
If a neighbor slips on a crack in the virtual sidewalk of our online forum, I want to help her up, encourage her to keep walking. What I don’t want is for another neighbor to virtually kick her while she’s down.
In the little experiment that we call Civano, and in the selective realm that is the Civano discussion forum, it turns out that knowing who the neighbor is both online and off keeps the kicking to a minimum. I’ve got the bruise-free shins to prove it, virtually at least.
Simmons Buntin is the editor of Terrain.org: A Journal of the Built & Natural Environments. Catch up with him at www.SimmonsBuntin.com.





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larry.martin in DC
Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 11:24am
Nice work - virtual community qualifies as real life too - in another dimension. Check out my friend Mike’s efforts to foster the best of on-line comunity up in Burlington VT. His effort is called: Front Porch Forum.
Simmons Buntin in Tucson, AZ
Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 11:41pm
Hey, thanks Larry. I just checked out Front Porch Forum and it looks very compelling. Needs further exploration on my part, certainly.
Another interesting topic to explore in this arena is neighborhood and community development in Second Life, which bills itself as the “Official site of the 3D online virtual world.” http://secondlife.com/
Though the risk, as with all online venues, is time spent there means time spent away from the real community of this dimension!
Benjamin Subercaseaux | Founder of Neighbor Online in Jacksonville, FL
Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:03am
I like the article.
I do disagree however with forcing the discussion members to reveal their true identity rather than just use a screen name. By doing so, you are potentially discouraging some people who would like to participate, but do not want their identity to be revealed. I think the true goal of a discussion forum is to get a community voice. As long as it is community members who are in the discussion, then who they are is not that important.
Simmons Buntin in Tucson, Ariz.
Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:35am
Obviously we disagree. It was a difficult decision to make, because I very much respect the anonymonity of online forums. But the general historical trends of the tool itself should not drive guidelines for online community discussion forums, as you suggest. That is, the true goal of an online community discussion forum—a forum by and for a physical community—is not to get a community voice. It is, rather, to allow community participants to interact online as they might offline. It’s not a 1:1 scale, of course, and the online forum offers many opportunities not otherwise available in face-to-face conversation, but our experience indicates that both the individual and the greater good is accomplished by knowing who you’re interacting with.
There are avenues for anonymous complaints, suggestions, and the like. We have an online suggestion box, for example. But when talking neighbor to neighbor, neighbors have the right to know who they’re talking with. Offline or on, I’d be wary of any community-building that doesn’t engage people by who they really are, and likewise wary of people who aren’t willing to say who they are.
Benjamin Subercaseaux | Founder of Neighbor Online in Jacksonville, FL
Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 1:19pm
Simmons,
If you are doing an online to offline comparison, a forum would be comparable to a group meeting where individuals took turns throwing in their 2 cents on a topic.
Let’s pretend that there was 100 people engaging in a group meeting regarding a topic. According to your analogy, every time a person spoke, they would begin by stating their first and last name. That would become very redundant and unnecessary with the scope of the meeting in mind. The true focus is to arrive at a consensus with that group of 100.
Now, if somebody in the meeting brings up a good point that catches your attention, I understand the concept of putting a name to the statement.
If you combo your online forums with private messaging capabilities, I think you can achieve both the personal aspect that you are looking for while maintaining the anonymity of the forum.
Ben
Simmons Buntin in Tucson, Ariz.
Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:34pm
At our public meetings we have a policy of people stating their names when they first speak. I’d say that’s true for most public meetings. Obviously the speakers don’t have to do it every time, but assuming you’ve been at the meeting, you already have heard their name. Just as importantly, you may well recognize them because you can actually see them. Hey, that’s my neighbor Jane, or Joe, who lives down the street, etc..
As with casual communication, folks on the online forum may or may not sign their name—but their display name is always, well, displayed.
I can really only speak for what’s happening at Civano, but I’ve seen an increased level of civility and, I believe, respect among online participants because of it.
Best,
Simmons